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.Sirs, I have been handed some questions.Please bear in mindthat we are going to investigate the problem and find the answertogether.Don't wait for me to give an answer to the question, butlet us together explore the problem.Though I may describe andexplain, you are watching the problem operating in yourself; and that observation, that very awareness and understanding of theproblem in yourself, will resolve the problem.Question: People well versed in the Hindu scriptures say thatsadhana is essential for mukti.Vinoba Bhaveji has said that whatyou speak of as freedom cannot be the same as mukti because youdo not seem to believe in sadhana.Krishnamurti: Now, sir, what is important in this question? Notwhat Vinoba Bhaveji says, or what I say, or what is written in thescriptures, but to find out for yourself what is true.Sadhana, I amtold, means the method, the system, the practice towards an end;and the question is, is sadhana necessary or not? So pleaseunderstand that we are discussing, not what X or Y has said, butwhether in fact a practice with an end in view leads to freedom, toreality.Most of us think that by doing certain things - practising yoga,meditating, disciplining, suppressing, denying, torturing oneself -the mind will be led to reality, to God.That is what you have beenbrought up on; but I say that no method, no system can lead you toreality, because you will become a prisoner of that system, and it isonly the free mind that can discover what is true.Besides, truth hasno fixed abode, it is not static, it is a living thing which is inconstant movement, and a path can only lead to that which is fixed,which is static.The practising of any method or system merelyproduces the result which that system offers.Do you understand?Sirs, I am not trying to convince you of the truth of what I amsaying, but if you see the truth of this for yourself, you will be freeof the system which you hope will lead you to truth.The momentyou see that no system can lead you to truth, you are free of systems.First of all, you think that truth, reality, God, or what you will,is a fixed point, and that to get there all you have to do is diligentlyto practise a certain discipline every day, make your mind conformto a certain pattern.That is what your books, your leaders, yourswamis and yogis all say; but they may be totally wrong, includingthe Gita.So you have to find out; and how will you find out? Youmust begin, surely, by abandoning all authority.That means youcannot have any fear.And then what happens? You begin toinquire into what is implied by a practice, a method.Surely, apractice, method or discipline implies the suppression of your ownthoughts to conform to a particular pattern which you think willlead you to reality.Does all this interest you, or are you going to sleep? You see,what I am saying goes entirely opposite to everything that youbelieve, and obviously most of you want to continue to think alongthe old lines; because what I am saying means real revolution, notthe economic or social kind, but the fundamental revolution thatcomes into being when the whole structure of authority isquestioned - the authority, not only of the guru, but also of traditionand of your own experience.So what are we discussing? We are trying to find out the truthor falseness of the common belief, which includes the ideas of yourvarious gurus, that certain practices are necessary to reach moksha,to reach freedom.If you examine the whole process very carefullyyou will see that by practising a method your mind is not madefree, but merely conforms itself to the method and so becomes aslave to that method and to what it will produce.I think that much is very clear if you once see it.To be creative the mind must befree, and not conform to a pattern or a framework which you thinkwill lead you to the real.Sirs, another factor involved in all this is the question ofdiscipline.Can discipline free the mind? Or to be free must themind, through intense alertness, understand the implication ofdiscipline and thereby be free of discipline? Discipline impliessuppression in order to achieve a result of which you knownothing.What you `know' of moksha, and all the rest of it, is onlywhat you have been told, and in order to gain what you think istruth you practise disciplines; but can truth ever be known to amind that is ambitious, envious, cruel? Why do you not concernyourself with freeing the mind from envy, to take that as a simpleexample.And can you free the mind from envy by discipline?Do you understand, sirs? Have you ever tried freeing the mindfrom envy by compelling it to be non-envious? When you do that,what happens? The mind that is forced not to be envious is a deadmind, is it not? It has built a wall around itself, therefore it is aninsensitive mind
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